Live Like Experience - SAIN Preset 1.0.3

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PMC's and Bosses should be scary.

Live Like Experience - A SAIN Preset


  • Provides manageable Scavs. They aren't usually fearsome warriors, but ignore them long enough and they might get lucky.
  • PMC's are a threat. A healthy mix of Chads and Normal players. They will be an issue.
  • Bosses and followers exist to be a challenge.
  • AI hearing is turned wayyyy down, the goal is to keep them from starring at walls and sitting in cover forever.
  • AI has some minor map specific tuning. For example, labs will see must more aggressive play than shoreline.


Overall this preset aims to provide a "Live Like Experience". Some raids will be easy, some raids you'll run into a super sweaty giga chad. Boss fights should be a challenge while scavs should usually be easy kills. I'm a believer of "if you're surviving every raid because the fights are a joke than it's not fun" camp, so expect to die sometimes.


This preset is what I play with, I'm a 30 something dad gamer with a military background. So the goal is fun, semi-realistic, and not soul crushing.




Install/Notes

  • Obviously this requires the latest SAIN install. 3.10 only.
  • Extract into your SPT folder, it will set itself as active.




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This is under active development, I will provide updates as needed. Please provide feedback via comments.

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  • Version 1.0.3

    • Shibdib
    • 407 Downloads

    The "I Can See!" Update

    Vision

    • Bot vision at night with both NVG and Flashlights has received a buff
    • Bots across the board got a slight buff to how quickly they realize a target is actually a target

    Personalities

    • Slightly lower the chance for the "Wreckless" and "Rat" personality types
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  • Version 1.0.2

    • Shibdib
    • 640 Downloads

    Cover Changes

    • Bots should be smarter about returning fire if in the open
    • Bots should no longer run absurd distances for cover
    • Bots will consider cover closer to the enemy

    Scav Changes

    • Scavs should be more varied now
    • Still weaker than PMC's but some should be a little more spicy
    • They no longer just aim center mass, RIP legs and arms.

    Lighting Changes

    • PMC's now notice lights (flashlights/lasers) at longer distances

    Aggression Changes

    • Chads "chase gunfire" range has been lowered
    • Search speeds tweaked for most personalities

    Location Specific Changes

    • Labs should be a bit more spicy
    • Tweaked bot view distance a bit on big maps (woods/loothouse/shoreline)
      • This might need to be buffed a bit more, trying to make them not be braindead to people sniping.

    Misc

    • A lot of little tweaks (mainly with scavs) when it comes to aiming.
      • Includes aiming while under fire, aiming while wounded, etc...
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  • Version 1.0.1

    • Shibdib
    • 350 Downloads

    Just fixes folder formatting, no actual changes.


    Not necessary to download if 1.0.0 is working for you.

  • Version 1.0.0

    • Shibdib
    • 1.1k Downloads
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  • 1.0.2/1.0.3 Discussion


    My Concerns

    - Are bots still being dumb about running to cover when they should shoot back?

    - Did I buff scavs a little too much?

    - Are their too many CHAD pmc's?

    - Location specific issues... Is labs TOO hard now (Or do the raiders need a buff?), are the bots on the big maps handling long range combat any better?

    • fought like 4-5 scavs yesterday. think they're in a good balance in between dumb-clever.

    • Testing some factory with the bots and you got aiming and accuracy pretty good.


      scavs still kinda easy at least for me, for some reason its like they can barely hear so when theyre back is turned theyre pretty easy, not sure what is doing that other than hearing.


      sometimes pmcs are still running for cover to heal instead of continue shooting, i have this same problem with my preset idk why they do that nor have i found healing settings


      gonna keep testing give you some more info

    • I've also noticed the hearing weirdness, I have a guess about the cause... I think occlusion might not be working as intended (likely just an EFT issue).

  • Do you personally use That's Lit and optimize these values for that or SAIN only?

    • I do not use that's lit but it should work fine alongside it.

  • is it possible to completely disable the pmc yapping without affecting other bots?

    I see no reason why pmcs should reveal their location midfight by yapping “I'm reloading”.

    • bot settings, then go to pmcs and talking is under the "mind" section

    • It disables most of the talk but it doesn't disable the talk completely, I don't use the GUI as I host a dedi but I have edited the configs. But thanks anyway. I was just hoping to find a preset that simply deactivates the blablabla without exception. I also loaded SAIN last to make sure nothing is overriding it. I noticed you uploaded your own preset recently, did you deactivate the talk?

    • unfortunately i did not, i kinda like the talk personally. i could make you non talk version if i can figure out how to get it off completely

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    • There is a non talk version on my github. let me know if it works on my page, i dont wanna clutter shibdib's page

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  • Just wanted to get a better idea of this preset, are any of the changes made with advanced settings for SAIN, as in, could I reach a similar/same preset by tweaking the regular settings available thru the SAIN overlay? Thanks.

    • I make most of my changes via out of game editor (just easier for me), but they're all technically accessible via the in game F6 menu.

  • I tried to use your preset , but the pmcs just stand still and do nothing until someone shoots them , even many times they stand in the middle of nowhere or the street looking over the floor.

    • are you using ai limit mods, those typically make them do that

    • I'm using the performance mod, but the AI limitation is disabled

    • Don't use it if you play on Fika.

    • I don't use Fika.

  • Is there anyway I can disable the changes this makes to bosses? Just want it for PMC if possible

    • In the F6 menu, global settings, general, vanilla bot behavior, enable it for whatever bot types you don't want touched.

  • why they beat me everytime like in online? RAWR! bugcatmad

  • Any gripes/complaints about specific issues?


    My current concerns

    - Are scavs too easy?

    - Should we just disable doors entirely?

    - Is there enough variety amongst PMC's?

    • I think SCAVS simplicity should be a good thing, because whenever you do a task and loot, and then do a killing mission, you will find corpses that are already full of maps, which is not a good thing, SCAVS itself should be inferior to PMC, isn't it, and not in the case of 3V3, PMC even fails, as for the diversity of PMC, I think the character of the SAIN belt should be able to solve, whether this PMC is a hero or a coward. It would be great if we could solve the problem of AI stuck behind the door, and finally, thank you for your efforts

    • noticing a lot of pmcs mid fight will just turn around and walk or run off. i like scavs in this preset they usually die to pmcs which is what i like personally so theres more pmcs walking around looting. only thing i dont like about the scavs is they are little too dumb when youre right up on them. also right now im finding myself already back to tweaking again because pmcs just dont react fast sometimes, or theyll stop shooting midfight like i mentioned above which im surprised about because i turn off timmy and coward personality. i had only few times they were stuck in doors, dont really know how thats effecting things but i heard its been a problem forever.

    • Many PMCs will turn around and run away directly during battles, which makes it easy for me to get kills.When I shoot, they will suddenly stop shooting and then turn around and run.



      The PMC in the laboratory appears very real, but their aggressiveness is too strong. Whenever there is a battle, the PMC on the entire map will gather towards gunshots.

      Sometimes when PMC shoots, I haven't even had time to get to that location before the battle is over.

      But even so, I believe this Preset is very good.

    • I'll look into the pmc's running to cover instead of shooting back issue. I have an idea what it could be.


      Doors have always been an issue, it's not specific to this preset. I suppose I can leave it be for now.


      I might bump scav accuracy a tiny bit, they're kinda atrocious shots right now if you're moving at all.

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  • When I apply a preset, a version related warning message appears. What is the problem?

    The warning text is

    The selected preset version is 3.2.1. The current sain preset version is 3.2.0.

    • Your SAIN isn't up-to-date

  • 作者您好，我想知道摩尔的难度预设会影响到你的预设吗，可惜 3.10 没有更好的生成 mod，但不幸的是摩尔有难度效果，我想知道会不会有影响，来选择是否去掉摩尔生成

    • Used AI for this response but

      MOAR的难度设置会影响机器人生成时的难度等级，而不一定是它们使用的AI设置。SAIN和这个预设可以与之配合使用，没有问题。

      MOAR's difficulty settings effect the difficulty tier that bots will spawn at, not necessarily the AI settings they use. SAIN and this preset will work fine with it

  • Very good ! Some PMC push more and land more shots then what I had

  • i cant get mine to show up in sain presets, but i extracted in the sain folder and tried moving files around, any suggestions?

    • Like said in the description, it will auto-use it

    • its still using my modified preset, unless it doesnt show up in the sain menu at all

    • You didn't put the file in the right location

    • You should create a preset first so that you can place the preset

    • right now the pathway goes SPT>user>mods>SainServermod>Sain>Presets>live like folder. am i supposed to take everything out of the folder

  • very decent preset, im dying so many times that my surv rate went from 70 to 40 :evil:

    it works great with "its lit" as well.

  • so far so good!! Bots are a bit realistic now

  • Does this mod touch bot spwans or only their behaviour like SAIN does ?

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    • this is a preset for sain...

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    • I normally playing SAIN on i like pain difficulty, would you recommend to scale the difficulty section bars on live like preset to the pain preset settings or does this make the bots difficulty unplayable ?

      i tried it and it seems like i cant survive a single raid without getting instant head eyed XD

  • How does this compare to "Realistic Combat Overhaul" for 3.9.x? im still waiting on that one

    • I didn't play during 3.9 but I believe this has similar goals

  • Just tested it out


    The best preset for SAIN i've ever seen.

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  • I'm trying to make 30~45% survival rate experince. And this will be my choice I guess!

  • this looks interesting

  • What the hell is it? How are you so amazing?! THANK YOU!!!

  • I'm getting this error on SPT server start up

    "Mod: (SAIN) is missing a package.json. Make sure you have checked the mods hub page for install instructions"

    • Go to the SAIN mod page and install what your missing.

    • i use MO2 manager and it just put the mod to user\mods


      i changed folders to belpinex\plugins