Posts by deltakai

Quote from Fontaine

That's how sights work in EFT. In the video it didn't look like you were doing much to control the recoil. It's not weird interaction, more weight in the rear = more muzzle flip, makes perfect sense. Weight does also reduce recoil. The stock is going rearwards into the shoulder as it should. Stock not changing pistol animations is just how pistols in EFT work. It's still useable in your configuration, if you want more recoil control then you need to choose a lighter magazine.

You know what, I guess I was complaining about nothing. Just tested the Glock18C in vanilla EFT and it was equally a bad idea to use a sight on it in full auto because the bullets just wouldn't go where you thought the reticle was since it would jump all the way out of view.

The stock could do with a bit more dispersion reduction judging by the videos I've seen of people full autoing the glock with the stock, but honestly I'm at the point where I'll just make the adjustments myself once I find the right files to edit.

Quote from deltakai

Really? That's really odd. Maybe I'm using a different version (v0.9.2) or maybe I modified some settings because my Glock18C definitely did not look like that video - at the same range (the first target) the bullets from my gun were literally flying into the ceiling with maybe like 7 or 8 shots landing on target with a stock on. It honestly doesn't even seem like the bullets are flying out in the same direction as the muzzle, as if they're flying out like 20 degrees upwards from the muzzle.

Oh wow ok so I think I figured out what was causing the crazy vertical recoil sending bullets into the ceiling - it was the bloody sight. I took off the sight and used just irons and suddenly the bullets are actually flying where the muzzle is facing, looking far more similar to the clip from Fontaine. For some reason the sight was giving some kind "illusory" flatness so the gun looked like it was firing in one place but in reality the muzzle was climbing to the heavens. I have no idea if this is an issue with this mod specifically or possibly some weird interaction with the Geff Hannigan's Scope and Red Dot overhaul.

Here's a comparison clip:

There's also this weird interaction where installing the 50 round magazine actually significantly increases vertical recoil for some reason. I'm not sure if that's something to do with the balance system in the mod but you'd think having a big heavy mag like that would keep the vertical recoil down, not increase it.

That being said, the Glock18C's handling with the stock does still seem a little off - the gun seems bounce around as if there is no stock there at all. You can even see in the clip that the stock is literally jostling around in the player's shoulder as if it's phasing through their shoulder (or the player doesn't even use the stock and he's just using the pistol in the regular stance and the stock is just there for looks) . I'm not really sure if there's actually anything you can do about that from a modding perspective but I guess just something to point out.

Still, I suppose that just means that I can only use irons with the Glock18C if I want any semblance of usability.

Quote from Fontaine

It was a test, I didn't change anything I think the stock does make a big difference, and it's pretty useable at point blank. Other quirks of the recoil are hard to fix due to autocompensation being whack with high ROF, I can see if there's tweaks that will improve it.

Really? That's really odd. Maybe I'm using a different version (v0.9.2) or maybe I modified some settings because my Glock18C definitely did not look like that video - at the same range (the first target) the bullets from my gun were literally flying into the ceiling with maybe like 7 or 8 shots landing on target with a stock on. It honestly doesn't even seem like the bullets are flying out in the same direction as the muzzle, as if they're flying out like 20 degrees upwards from the muzzle.

Here's a clip of it, note the sparks on the ceiling from like half the bullets (apologies for the jumpy clip, I don't have the best computer)

Here's the settings from my recoil settings. I believe I only changed the convergence multiplier and nothing else. I also adjusted the Convergence multiplier in the mod config to be 1.1 instead of 1, otherwise nothing else was changed in recoil.

Quote from Fontaine

https://i.imgur.com/csYzE1o.mp4 does this look better?

Loads better - you didn't have to but thank you for heeding my request.

Quote from Fontaine

He's literally shooting the dirt and the muzzle is flipping like crazy. If you think something has too much recoil then just say so in a straightforward way.

Hey man relax I wasn't tryna be passive aggressive about it or anything sheesh, was just laying out the context. But yes I think that the Glock 18C does have too much vertical recoil in its current state.

The gun in the video does have high muzzle climb yes compared to regular smgs of course, but I'm telling you right now the bullets from the Glock18C in the game with this mod are literally firing like 60 something degrees upwards (and that's with the stock) and hitting the ceiling on the first 3 shots, nothing at all like in the video, which is completely ridiculous and I believe is a side effect of some of the recoil changes. Even in vanilla Tarkov the gun isn't exactly the most controllable and you can't really full auto it and expect to hit much beyond 10 meters, but with the recoil changes in this mod that goes down to beyond 3 meters. Go ahead and test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

You don't need to take things personal, I'm just suggesting a change (that being reducing the vertical recoil significantly, or buff the stock so it does so) that would make the gun more usable and a result more fun. The fact of the matter is that, like I said before, the Glock18C full-auto is literally unusable past point-blank range, and even if that were true in real life (which it's not), it would still be worth buffing it just so it's a usable (and fun, like in vanilla EFT) gun.

Here's another video of the Glock18 full auto, but with a stock this time. You can clearly see here that the muzzle climb, compared to in the game, is minimal - the stock is doing a ton of work keeping the gun in place. Just look at when he's firing it with the 100 round Beta C-Mag - that shit literally stays in place.

Just wondering, is it intended for the Glock18C to literally have bullets spray up at ceiling on the first couple shots in full auto, and then have it spray like everywhere else but the target even with the stock? It doesn't seem like it should be like this because you cannot hit 90% of your shots outside of quite literally a 1-2m range in full auto.

This video (5:00 time stamp) is a good showcase of what kind of handling a full auto Glock18C is like, and that's without a stock.

I'd really like to use the Glock18C but unfortunately in its current state it is completely unusable full auto outside of point-blank range.