TarkovIRL - Weapons Handling Mod 0.7.1

Hey Jenny. Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it so much.

I get to do the classic answer here: it's a feature, not a bug! What you're seeing is my more realistic system for transition between weapons. Before I continue, see this video clip at time 18:55. I have taken a lot of inspiration from this evaluation of Tarkov's 'realism' in other parts of the mod.

So as you can see, the vanilla transition between primary and secondary weapons is completely silly. My new system still needs work, but the idea is that the transitions take a lot more time depending on the size and ergo of the weapons, and your personal efficiency.

I'm also going to add more detail to the quick draw mechanics: less stamina drain and the ability to also switch back to your primary very quickly - but only to and from your slung weapon. If you try to quick draw between pistol and secondary weapon, it will be interrupted.

I've also added to the animations so that it looks more like you're putting your weapons in the correct places: back down on sling or over your shoulder. Refining this system is the main goal of the next update.

Thank you ! adishee

I understand now that this is a feature and not a bug, and I will continue to enjoy playing with this mod.

I'm looking forward to seeing this feature become even more polished and "realistic."

Maybe having an option to configure it in the future would be awesome.

Either way, I'll keep supporting everything you're doing. Thanks again!

Hey there. Thanks for the comments.

Being a new mechanic to the mod, I'm definitely open to refining it more. Did you see the slider to control the intensity of the effect?

In an internal test version I've added more cases where the intensity of the effect is reduced, in the short-stocked pose and in the vanilla pose (which I have set to drain stam in Realism).

Could you possibly elaborate on what you mean, though, what would constitute more 'in depth' and configurable? Having it only in ADS seems like the opposite of what I want for the mechanic -- when you're in ADS you're at your most controlled.

In terms of further functionality, I am considering making the head-follow speed a function of Efficiency, which would actually make the effect more pronounced when you're on low Efficiency; in that case I would likely reduce the overall base value of the effect.

If you are just looking for a very classic deadzone, however, like Red Orchestra (I'm old) or Sandstorm or whatever it's called, there is another mod for it.

i did see the slider and have played with settings to try to tweak it as much as i can, including the ones it says not to touch lol. by more in depth and configurable i just meant more customizable. stuff like how much/how sensitive deadzone is while not aiming vs while aiming or something like that i guess...i dont really know how to explain what effect im going for except for...bodycam. (sorry) id imagine that goes against a lot of what you want your mod to be, but considering how in depth and configurable it is i thought id try it out. and if i tweak a few settings i can get very close while outside of ads. i really like how aiming with deadzone cranked all the way up to max feels, especially when paired with sway and parallax, but when turning even a little while outside of ads the camera behaves a little weirdly and id imagine its because its not supposed to go that high. https://youtu.be/ePX9ureSMWQ (sorry for bad quality...) a bit nitpicky my apologies

Ah I think I see, you want to the effect be also very present in ADS but to do that you have to wreck the out-of-ADS effect.

My friend, I will add a slider for that, and I have already added other sliders. I will try to get out a build today, as I've fixed some other things as well.

Hey dude, sorry about the bug. I would say the first thing to do is to delete the dll, then delete the config file from Bepinex/config. My understanding of the configs is that they will apply themselves anywhere they can in the code, or something like that. So if you installed an old version, a newer config is probably trying to apply itself to an older version. Anyway it sounds like you just moved a slider by accident and broke the whole thing, if certain values are exceeded you definitely get insane stuff happening that breaks the game.

So in this order: delete the mod, delete the config, load the newest mod and it will have default settings. Report back.

Uhh yeah I had problems with other mods, and since 3.10 came out, decided to delete 3.9 and update. And about the config: idk which config you are talking about. I mean, in the zip file there was only the dll file, so, I thought deleting that is enough to wipe the whole thing clean, yk?) xd

and about the free look camera- I'm thinking I had "increased look direction" mod. So that's why it broke.

Most (all?) mods create a config file the first time you run them. It's in Bepinex/config. Good luck with 3.10

thanks, I will remember that. good luck with your work!

Thank you so much for the kind words, really!

Just to clarify, in which way did I 'fix' the parallax? Like, in which way is it better than it was before? Just think of this as a customer survey, I have to recalibrate the parallax for v0.7 because of some other (sick) changes so I just want to know what the People like.

So, instead of a 1000 words, I will give you a link to my post on Reddit, where I asked for help: https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTar…&utm_content=share_button
Probably, my favorite feature of the mod is the parallax effect, however, in older version, with which I was playing, while using parallax effect, you basiccly couldn't ADS, as shown in the Reddit post (Result of that Reddit post was that I installed ACOG4Life mod, which I installed with Fontaine's help. The mod helped a little, yet the problem still was). I upgraded to a newer version of IRLTarkov (which I didn't know you were updating that often), and the problem with scopes (again, as shown in the video) is, finally, gone! I can use any optic sight now, and not worry about my gun being glued in one place in my character's hands!

Ah okay. You should know as well that there was always a slider for the parallax feature in the mod. In the next version just dial it down if it's too much. Also, in general in my mod, moving slower and not getting yourself injured help to present a stable firing platform. Just like ... IRL? I actually don't know lol

Yes, I did find that slider. Yet, in the previous version, it didn't help. Nor did it change anything in my game when I dialed it down today in the newer version. I might be wrong, though. I don't want to give you too much trouble over nothing. Also, while I have a chance (and since I deleted my Reddit account): Is there any chance that you know a bot spawning mod where I can set it so that PMCs spawn at the beginning of the raid and then continue to spawn throughout the raid? I tried MOAR, but it's either waves throughout or only at the start of the raid. Right now I'm playing on BSP, but the config is so complicated that my head hurts. I'm also not sure if it's possible to achieve such bot spawns using BSP. Sorry for the long, rambling question. You don't need to answer if you don't have the time.

I use MOAR, I set the spawn multipliers to max and reduced the max bot count down to about 15 and get good results and full raids like that.

That, sir, is a feature not a bug.

It's part of the Deadzone mechanic, just switch off the deadzone. If you want to try and get used to it, you can press any movement button and your guy will recenter forward.

The intensity of the effect depends on the size+ergo of the weapon.

I figured lol, thanks for the reply. Maybe im just not used to it, loving the mod regardless!

I would also point out that when you're moving -- which is a lot of the time -- it is constantly recentering and it produces a sort of head following effect that I liked. Which is why I haven't bothered trying to do a more traditional deadzone like other games / mods. There is some possibility that I will attempt to implement a Bodycam style camera effect in the future, which was, I think, what I was originally trying to do. The deadzone is the very first thing I figured out how to hack into when I started the mod. It was the first feature, hence it is rather vestigial but I've grown to like it enough that I've kept it, and it stacks well with the other effects (but I would say that).

But yeah. I think a Bodycam-ish replacement to the deadzone is going to be a thing.

Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm actually running out of ideas, I want to sort of finish the mod in the next release and then transition to just refining / support. And maybe start another mod that I've been thinking about.

I am quite happy where the mod is. Happy to hear you are in high spirits to keep it updated!

I can't wait what you will bring in the future! Best of luck! o7

Thank you sir, it means a lot!

I am going to add a slider to expose your health's impact on efficiency in the next patch. I'm also going to add a clamp value around the sway. Between those two, we can get this darn noodle arms under control.

Thank you for your continued support of this mod. I genuinely love it and how it changes the gameplay.

Hello. The effects do not apply to bots, afaik lol. It wouldn't really make sense would it. Indeed, if you just turn down the bots' difficulty, you achieve effectively the same solution, don't you. I'm quite sure that with the basic important mods like sain and realism, bots already run out of ammo and retreat. I highly recommend the realistic combat overhaul preset for sain.

Thanks for the kind words.

There is already a slider for this, it has been in the mod for a few versions. It's called Efficiency negative effect multi, in the latest patch I moved it to the top of the config. It's set by default to 0.7, so start from there turning it down.

I thought this was for all negative effects, not just for damages.

Ah, forgive me I guess I didn't understand. Yes it's for all negative effects, not just damage... But most of the negative effects are just damage. So we're kinda splitting hairs.

Ah, I see. When I read the description of the slider, it said damage, health, stamina, nutrition, etc. I thought they all played a huge role instead of just damage. Now I don't feel as bad when I slide it way lower.

This is because of the efficiency penalty you incur while being injured. I am going to explore adding hard stops to the sway effects. In the meantime, try reducing the Efficiency negative effect multi value.

Update, it's only an issue with 0.6.8, going to 0.6.8.1 makes everything feel great again. Camera stuttering is still an issue though

I am 99% sure that I have fixed the camera stuttering in MY mod. It is also in Live Tarkov... it does exist. It's notwhere near as bad as it used to be in my mod.

I think it's just the stuttering I get in the game messes with the mod, not the md causing it. Tarkov's poor optimization foils us again

Thanks for the kind words.

Regarding the stances -- I think all of these things are already true for the stances? Like literally what you described. Except the Patrol stance, I didn't even know it was in there until last update.

Don't get shot.

Ok sure, but is it a bug?

No. I have an internal calculation called Efficiency. Efficiency affects all of my weapon handling mechanics: weapon sway, parallax, weapon shake, etc.

Efficiency goes up when you are moving slowly, and when you have good stamina and nutrition. It goes down when you don't and when you are injured, bleeding, concussed, sick, etc.

When you get hit, you often bleed and go into shock. Both of those make you aim worse.

You can reduce negative effects by lowering the Efficiency Negative Effects Multi value in the config. In the most recent version, I've put that slider near the top because it's important. I lowered the default in the version I just release an hour ago.

Ah ok, I probably didn't read, my bad. Mod is really good

Thank you so much for the kind words, man.

Hello! Thanks for the kind words.

Do you have perhaps a video or something? Could you try removing TarkovIRL and see if it persists? I can't imagine why that would occur because of my mod, I don't do anything to sights at all.

I'll record a video when I get home. After I removed the selection in the f12 settings, point 3 or 4, it helped.

Hello. Video

Okay so this is a bit interesting and I think I understand the problem.

I can see from your video that you have an enormous number of glitches and slowdowns while playing your game. The first thing I ask myself is how you can bear to play like that .

The scope is only losing sight picture during the glitches. All of my calculations are done using frame-by-frame measurements of motion which store the recent history of your movement to produce outcomes. It's pretty stable, but it kind of assumes a somewhat stable framerate above 30 fps; below that, things get weird.

I think that's what's happening here, your frames keep dropping abruptly below 30 fps, which is causing my calculations to glitch out a little and overestimate things. Since my mod is all about fluid motion, basically.

So, you should work on making your game run smoother. There is not much I can do about that. My mod relies on tracking somewhat smooth frames, even if they are pretty low.

Hope this helped

Indeed, in this raid, there were significant frame drops due to the large number of bots. Overall, I have a stable 60 frames, I was testing the bot settings at that time. If you are interested, I can test it at the factory with a minimum of bots and write back. Thanks for the answer

Also seem that reloading works in scav runs but not in pmc raids.

Yeah, even after the 0.6.6 update I'm still having this issue.

Guys, do you have the latest Realism installed? The one released a few days ago, like? It does require that latest one, that's the one I integrated into the mod last night and it IS different than the recent version from a couple weeks ago. I'll post more information about this requirement later but make have you have the latest Realism and let me know.

I had Version 1.4.7 of the Realism Mod installed, I'll check if that's the issue now.

When downloading it says 1.4.8, but when you go into config.exe it'll say 1.4.7.

I added a config entry, so yes.

Oh sweet! I must be overlooking it in the config. What's the name of the option?

Also, I saw another comment about having problems reloading and my group just encountered that as well. Pressing R once wasn't doing anything but we could still double tap to do a quick reload. It didn't happen on our first raid but started on our second. We all have Realism 1.4.8 installed.

Are you using the mod in fika?? It actually works? I would love to see an error log to understand the problem more and put out another fix.

The config option was there but misnamed. I should have a(nother) hotfix coming out in the next few hours.

If you move slowly, the parallax diminishes a lot. And smaller weapons with higher ergo are less affected.

Thanks, yeah I tried it again and it wasn't so bad. I think it was all just a bit jarring at first.
Great mod again

Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it.

Having the same problem with the new version. Going back to the previous version fixed it, so I guess it has something to do with the new reload/mag check mechanic.

Yes, exactly the same problem.

Working on some hotfix action my dudes.

Realism is going to become a dependency boys.

So I'm guessing it was a weird conflict with Realism's reload speed modifiers.

1) Yes!

2) There is a toggle for it in the first section.

3) Interesting. It should still work without Realism's changes... does it work when you check mag?

2. Thank you!
3. No, it does not work when i check mag. But the animation speed changes. When i check mag and then press R the mag check animation is sped up. When i press R and then press R second time the reload animation is sped up. The only thing that missing is character does not look down. Otherwise everything is great

May be there is some Incompatibility with Increased Look Direction mod. I'll check that later

Ah yes, that is possible. Do note that in my mod there is also increased look rotation.

Thanks for the kind words. I do not have my settings posted, sorry. I use MOAR bot spawner mostly default, with rogues/raiders/bosses spawn chance turned up pretty high. I also have PMC spawn relatively low but with very high skill (like 0.8). Lots of dumb scavs. And the Realistic Combat Overhaul preset for SAIN, very important.

Indeed.

No, but both strength and stamina level indirectly buffs everything. Maybe this is something I could consider in the future, though... will think about it.

I've made a new tab in my mod page and listed every single mod that I currently use. Enjoy.

Thank you.

Thanks, appreciate the kind words!

I could do that next version, yes, although it doesn't make too much sense to me: more sway means less control; pistols are necessarily the most nimble weapons you have, for use in emergencies (especially when you're very injured being easier to control, also a mechanic in Realism) and special cases. And I believe I already have them 2x sway versus non-pistols, you just can't tell because they are lighter.

In other words, I wanted pistols to function most similarly to vanilla Tarkov, ie very controllable.

thats fair, ive always felt pistols should be much less controllable though, mainly because you get one less point of contact on them than rifles even if they are so much lighter. with sway as high as i have it the weapons point ahead of my mouse (idk how else to word it) and i feel it should be even more exaggerated with a smaller, more nimble gun that isnt shouldered, but to be fair i always crank most of the settings on your mod to max....i like how fluid(?) and bouncy it makes most weapons feel but the pistols dont seem to have much going on with them and can feel a little lackluster for me, at least compared to other guns, if i used default settings like a normal person than i wouldnt see anything wrong with it. with how i have it customized i imagine it might go against what you have in mind.

Do you play with Realism mod?

hi, no I don't. I assume Realism is a dependency then?
I did try to adjust the config, disabling most of the stuff would get the gun to pop back up to where it should be.
but if I look around quickly the gun will permanently move from it's position to the point where it'll just be behind me or off to the side.

Maybe one day I'll do realism again. Did a few wipes with it but I just don't particularly like most of the changes it implements. I like a mostly vanilla game now

It's not a strict dependency but I develop my mod with Realism. I may add actual hooks in code in future, but the point is if there are bugs without it I wouldn't be aware of them. I have tried without Realism once and did notice bugs. But my time is very limited and I make this mod for myself, above all, and I will never play without Realism maxed out.

So I'm sorry about that, try isolating which module is the culprit and then playing with the germane sliders to fix it. It sounds like just some value going ballistic.