The part that doesn't make sense is a heavier weapon with parts that increase comfort for aim/use has worse recoil. But, in this case, that seems to not happen. That would be like saying a stock Honda Civic has better handling than one modified for racing. Weight alone should decrease recoil, as the gun can't kick as hard as a result. Ergo being worse only somewhat makes sense from a weight point of view. But if the gun is more easily controlled with the attachments, some of that ergo nerf should be mitigated because control has increased. through better grips and a change in the angle for the supporting arm.
How does your build have worse recoil?
Your build has better vertical recoil, and it has better dispersion and camera recoil if you look at the what each attachment does, and fire them side by side. Put a bastion and a good sight that isn't bugged (Eotech w/ magnifier does weird things to recoil in EFT) on both the AK104s and fire them side by side, there is a real and perceptible difference between the two. Dispersion and camera recoil are disabled from stat view because they clutter the UI, but in the next version you will be able to enable them in config.
Also check out the overview page for this mod for explanations of how the different parts behave. The reason why your build may have worse horizontal recoil is because the stock adapter lowers vertical recoil by redirecting that recoil rearward into horizontal recoil. Also horizontal recoil is just visual, it doesn't affect where the shots go, just how you perceive the recoil. Remember that in EFT, horizontal recoil is just the recoil going rearwards.
You can't compare a car to a gun, and just because something is modified doesn't mean it is better. A heavy build with lots of stuff on it will have worse ergo, but better recoil. That's exactly the result you got.
"But if the gun is more easily controlled with the attachments, some of that ergo nerf should be mitigated because control has increased"
That's literally what is happening, that's what I said to you was happening. The pistol grip, foregrip and stock has offset some of the negative impact of the weight. If you put the light, laser, sight and suppressor on an otherwise stock AK104, it would have worse ergo. What you expect to happen is exactly what is happening. Even then, you can build a modded AK104 that is heavier, that has the same sight, laser, and scope, that has better ergo than stock. Why not try different parts and play around with the new balance?
Again, things are still in the early stages of balancing, but the outcomes you stated you expect are already the outcomes you're getting.
The weight alone simply can't contribute to an amount of recoil reduction sufficient to be perceivable, not with the firearms we have in the game for sure.
As for the ergo, I really don't see why attachments matter all that much in terms ergo itself. The ergo, as we currently have it, seems to be just target/sight acquisition, and I think and underexperienced shooter wouldn't be as quick to lock sights on target, especially with a firearm they're not that familiar with. Things get worse and slower when you have any kind of magnification, and much better with red dots and stuff, of course, but I really doubt that some foregrips and other bells and whistles help you acquire target any faster - they're for recoil and bracing, they won't give your PMC the same skill as someone else, more experienced with the firearm in question, would have.
Attachments are important and stuff, but they shouldn't be the name of the game if we want to talk any semblance of realism in an FPS, really.
That's somewhat what I went for. Weight does play a significant role on recoil reduction in my mod, but not as much as a compensator or whatever. Each type of recoil is affected by different amounts (vertical, horizontal, dispersion and cam recoil). A heavier gun will have perceptibly less recoil overall, but in a more subtle way.
The way I have ergo in my mod is that it impacts sway, ADS speed, and arm stam drain. For ADS speed, it defines how fast ADS is, and weight and balance act as modifiers to reduce ADS speed. Some attachments like certain stocks increase ADS speed independent of ergo stat. Sway and arm stam drain is mostly based on weight, with ergo acting as a modifier to it indirectly. Essentially, the greater the difference between base ergo and current ergo, the worse sway and stam drain is.
I agree that foregrips and such don't magically make you handle the weapon much better, so I didn't give them crazy high ergo stats. I will adjust it over time though to find a nice balance.
I agree that attachments shouldn't be the be-all-end-all, that's what I went for, for the sake of realism. A well-modded weapon will recoil significantly less and be overall more capable, however a stock gun isn't useless and is perfectly usable in its own right.
I think the issue is that people coming from base EFT, which is balanced like an MMO, expect meta builds, best-in-slot mods, crazy recoil difference between stock and modded, etc. while mod is much more nuanced and subtle than that.
Having said that, most of the time in base EFT, a gun with a light, laser, sight and suppressor is going to have worse ergo than a stock build, so I really don't understand the issue.
Love this mod and I couldn't play SPT without it. Thanks for your work on this mod. Also, I would be glad to assist with small tedious tasks, like filling in bot loadouts or adding things to loot tables. I can't do heavy lifting, but mainly the small annoying stuff. Let me know!
