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Ultra lite bot spawning mod, that expands spawn points and works great on servers. Highly recommended to be used with SAIN/QB/LB for an immersive live-like experience. Highly configurable. Built for use with FIKA.

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  • Version 3.1.5

    The "Must spawn faster" update

    - Increases scav spawns a bit across the board


    - Bumps up initial spawning speed for both scavs/pmcs (too many empty starts
    Beware: You may have bots close on spawn (within 15 seconds).
    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

    - A small change in match calculation fixed a bug in smooth wave generation (this was one of the fixes for the above).


    That's all for now!
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  • Version 3.1.4

    The "spawn cascade" update


    - Enforces cascade logic

    - Reduces min spawn for spawnpoints (may fix spawning on certain small maps)

    - Improves chances of seeing action early.



    That's all for now. 8) :thumbup:

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  • Version 3.1.3

    Small config/spawn update


    - Added a few more spawnpoints to maps

    - Adjusted the culling algo so scavs can group up a bit more

    - Narrowed the spawn range for players so cascade should be more accurate.

  • Version 3.1.2

    Major bug fix for Bagels (custom spawns)

    - Implements a patch that MOAR was relying on from SAIN.

    - Improves reliability of custom spawns and having spawns be successful in general.


    - Snipers still broken and absent from this release, will be working on them soon.



    That's all for now. 8) :thumbup:

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  • Version 3.1.1

    Small Bug fix


    - Removes additional pmc spawns that may have been sneaking in.



    That's all for now!

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  • Version 3.1.0-RC5-Beta

    Update to version 3.11.3


    - Additional sniper spawns disabled.

    - Additional spawn points re-added.


    That's all for now. 8) :thumbup:

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  • Version 3.0.1-Experimental

    3.0.1 Experimental Update


    • Added performance improvements option to the "advancedConfig"
      This does a number of things to reduce unused AI and improve general performance on the worst maps for it.
      It turns down zyrachis chance of spawning, reduces the guard max bot counts for bosses (increases min slightly to compensate), reduces rogue spawn chance across the board.
      Turn off to make lighthouse spawn more rogues/zyrachi and have streets reduce it's fps back to an unplayable level.
      OR
      add the following line to the bossConfig to increase the chance of rogue spawning on lighthouse if that is what you are after.

        "lighthouse": {
          "exUsec": 45,

    • Major update to Pmc aggression and the introduction of faction based pmc aggression
      (pmcs will work with and be friendly to their own faction if this is turned on) don't worry, all pmcs still have a strong desire to murder you.
      This solved a long running bug that was causing performance issues, where pmcs that spawned together would murder each-other.
      Now we have much less shooting in the beginning of raids, and with SAIN, watchout, as teams will use tactics functionally again!
      Read the tooltip in the bepinex for more information.
    • StartingPMC logic updated
      Be aware, you can now no longer use the cascade system with startingPmcs.
      If you want to use both the cascade system and startingPmcs the closest you can do is reduce pmc distribution to the 0.1.
    • The 100% Partizan bug, and a few bugs around bosses have been fixed!
      Partizans karma logic is now removed, his spawn percent is all that determines his spawn chance now.


    Spawn updates:

    • Vanilla player spawns have returned!
      Players now have a few custom spawns and all the original spawns
    • PMC/SCAV spawns are now separated!
    • PMCS now have 100+ spawns they can use per map.
    • Moved all spawns to the config/Spawns folder, you can view your added points in there.
    • There are now button bindings to add/remove custom spawns of each type to the bepinex advanced section.
      NOTE: You may tempted to add a ton of spawnpoint; my strong recommendation, is there is kind of an art to spawn placement.
      I'd suggest placing far less than you think you need. Keep an eye on the associated file in: config/Spawns folder to watch your spawnpoint changes.
      MOAR culls spawpoints within a certain distance of eachother, so adding a ton in a certain area won't necessarily result in the behaviour you think it will.
      Also avoid placing spawn-points in areas that a regular bot wouldn't be able to walk to, it can make the bot potato on spawn. (think tops of rocks, inside locked doors).
      After adding spawns, it is advised to run the culling algorithm on your spawns via the advanced config, simply turn on "ActivateSpawnCullingOnServerStart" and run the server once. Then turn it off, and you're good to go.
      This process removes unneeded duplicates and processing.
      It is my hope that the community will begin to create packs that they can share of their custom spawn-points, which I will then parse and start incorporating in builds.


    FIKA PLAYERS

    • Many fixes have been attempted to fix the spawning apart bug, this is known, and this version has seen improvements there.
      For now, I have gone with a solution that should have players either spawning together, or near to each-other (50 meters).
      If you see this bug, know it's being worked on, and top of mind form me. Do feel free to report it in the Discord > Fika > DewardianDev mods chat.
      Logs/map/location do help track down issues.


    Bugs to watch out for:

    • If you spawn without exfils and you are on a clean install of this version of MOAR, REPORT IT.

    Requirements as of 3.0.0


    • Waypoints is now required!
    • The MOAR.dll is now required (both on clients and dedicated).
      Up until now MOAR has been a server-side only mod, as of the previous release, the .dll is required.
    • Now more than ever, SAIN and Questing bots/Looting bots are highly recommended to get bots moving.

    That's all for now!

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  • Version 3.0.0-alpha

    MOAR + Bagels - 3.0.0 Alpha Release

    This is experimental and likely to have a few bugs, but is now stable enough to get feedback from the broader community.

    Change Log:

    • Added more than 300 new spawn points, new Marksman spawns, and new player spawns included.
      Expect bots in unexpected locations.
    • Added the cascading wave spawn algorithm: MOAR now looks at where you spawn, and roughly makes bots spawn in a ripple outwards from that location.
      The result of this means you generally need less bots to have the same amount of action.
    • Added key to check preset your preset ('end' by default)
    • Updated starting PMC functionality, MOAR will do what it needs to make sure your game is running the way it should.
    • Optimized performance for lighthouse and streets.
    • Many many bug fixes (this is effectively a rewrite)
    • There are a lot of changes, and I will slowly start updating the mod page description, for now please just try it out and leave your feedback.


    Requirements as of 3.0.0


    • Waypoints is now required!
    • The MOAR.dll is now required (both on clients and dedicated).
      Up until now MOAR has been a server-side only mod, as of this release, the .dll is required.
    • Now more than ever, Questing bots / Looting bots are highly recommended.

    That's all for now!


    :) :thumbup:

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  • Version 2.6.7

    Something Update


    • Updated something (I can't remember anymore)!
    • Added a second announce for when game starts.


    :S :thumbup:


    That's all for now

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  • Version 2.6.6

    Small update


    • Updated bosses/rogues/raiders/etc.. to have MOAR run the spawn chance roll instead of spt.
      Basically this preemptively culls bosses that will not spawn (if they lose their roll), and assign those that succeed a 100% spawn rate.
      This may help with load times and mods like ALP in particular, as when the bot isn't in the pool, the game will not run the loadout generation on them!
    • Updated the preset announce to be a bit earlier, after the game is confirmed to load in, but before the player spawns.
    • Updated a few small things in presets.


    That's all for now.


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  • For FAQ's sake, please read, before commenting:

    • I don't understand difficulty something something... ?

      Moar sets the difficulty preset (easy/medium/hard/impossible), sain or spt decides the bots behaviour from there.
      Yes this works fine with SAIN, and is intended to be used with it.
    • I changed pre-raid settings something something... ?

      Don't! Moar has it's own controls to disable bosses or handle difficulty. If you use the pre-raid menu, do not post about your broken game here.
    • I don't understand Bepinex something something!!?

      Hover over the value in the bepinex and read the tooltip.
    • I changed Something something in the bepinex but its not working grrr!?

      >>>>>> Hit "Save" at the bottom of the bepinex <<<<<<
    • FIKA something not saving bepinex something something!?

      For fika, the configuration is saved in memory on the server, the idea being that fika servers should be run on dedicated machines and have long up time.
      If you want your settings to persist through restart and use FIKA, make sure to set those defaults in config.json/presetWeightings
    • Bepinex version is saying XX but I downloaded latest?
      I forgot to update the version for the client mod, if you downloaded latest, this is fine.
      The client mod requires changes rarely, thus I don't always repackage it (updating the version).

    • Something something..server configs broken, I'm no Coder something 不明白 .json :cursing: !%#@?
      If you are attempting to adjust the server configs and are not technically inclined please take a look at this handy tutorial.

    • My CPU is dying with maxBotCap of 25 and/or startingPMCs turned on ANGRY something...! pepescream

      People love the idea of startingPmcs as this is what live is like, what it actually does is forces your potato CPU to spawn (the most cpu intensive operation in spt) all of the pmcs for the entire raid at the same time (or over the first few minutes in the case of Moar), to add to this, all bosses, there followers, rogues, raiders, are already using this period to smash your potato CPU to bits.

      When you spawn all of the pmcs at once, those pmcs will then go forth to murder each other and whatever other bots have spawned on the map (much like live), further heel smashing your already mashed potato cpu into the dirt. :kekw:

      I would suggest leaving startingPmcs off if you don't have a cpu with X3D in the name, or if you do not want the majority of your pmcs to die off in the first 10 minutes of the raid, or if you do not like finding piles of bodies around the map.

      If you still have performance issues:

      An alternative to turning off starting pmcs would be to reduce the maxBotCap, but be aware, pmcs/bosses will blast through that limit, meaning you will have a harder time finding marksman/scavs early game if you do both turn on startingPmcs AND turn down the maxBotCap.

      Thus, I recommend only reducing maxBotCap if startingPmcs is already off, pmcs will still largely spawn in the first 10 - 15 minutes by default.

      One can also set the maxBotCap via the mapConfig.json per map if so desired.

      Extra potato mode:

      Some settings to try if you are still having issues.

      Change these values in your user/mods/Dewar...Moar/config.json to ensure they are always active.

      "pmcWaveDistribution": 0.5,
      (this makes it so pmcs will spawn over the entire period of the map)

      "scavWaveDistribution": 0.3,
      (as bosses spawn at the beginning this pushes those initial scav waves a bit later in the raid to balance cpu load).

      "maxBotCap": 18,
      (lowest recommended 15)

      "maxBotPerZone": 3,
      (lowest recommended 3)

      "pmcMaxGroupSize": 3,
      "scavMaxGroupSize": 3,

      Once you open the game, reset the default settings in the bepinex by clicking "reset to default".
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    • is it testet on latest 3.10.5 ? fresh install sain + moar ONLY, standart preset everything on low - extra potato mode (i9k 10th 5ghz 32ddr4) stable 60 fps on streets BUT everytime i kill someone fps drops to 23!


      in the name of the lord emperor. what i need to do to stop fps drops like this.. :kannatiredofthis:

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    • This isn't a faq, play with your settings do other things.

      Remove this comment. And place one below.

  • My frames get killed when an AI spawns in a place where they can't move (Lighthouse scav sniper above Tunnel extract spawn)



    after killing the 3 Pmcs my frames went from 20-23 to now 80+ frames.

    Edit: just happened 2 more times, watched 2 more Bears spawn down the road. My frames dropped, but they seemed active, but when 1 of them died, my frames came back stable 80+. Then Usecs spawned on the road nearby and frames dropped again until they both died.

    (Also noticed that Zhryachi was at 70 health somehow not sure if related)

  • Anyone know how to cut down on the raiders in Labs? I looked through the configs, but i get swarmed. I've tweaked everyother map and have it down to work really well. It def helps with performance on shoreline and streets

  • I can't understand what's going on with this mod. I'll explain - when choosing any preset, and regardless of the settings of any sliders, the number of PMCs on the map goes off the charts. Absolutely nothing helps. Any preset settings, the presets themselves, reinstalling the mod. I can't complete a single quest to kill wild bots. Conditionally, for 30-40 PMCs, God willing, you come across one regular bot. Even at the factory.

    Has anyone encountered such a problem?

  • Even though I did everything and said save, I played on an empty map and there was no one there.

  • Last version, 3.1.5, is causing weird spawns to happen:

    - Woods: bosses and guards spawn, sniper scavs spawn, pmcs and scav seem to either not spawn, or if they spawn rarely, they do not move

    - Customs and Factory: spawn rate seems to go crazy and overly spawns npcs


    With 3.1.4 these two cases I can't reproduce, but as soon as I move to 3.1.5, I can reproduce them consistently.


    To note: both tests are done with default mod settings, no other spawn mod is installed, on FIKA server.

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    • Ive seen something similar with customs. After the first wave of PMCs or SCAVs are killed they spawn in but the AI is broken and they are stuck looking south. They don't react to anything and you can walk up to them and see they are stuck loading.

  • no matter what i change like set max groupchance to 0 or 1,max groupsize to 0 or 1,pmc and scav still spawn in group of 2 or 3,and it seem like f12 menu config doesnt affect those config.json

  • how can i set amount of pmc or scav spawns?i just want max 6 pmcs in 1 map in whole game

    • map configs, RTFD

    • wave count=amount of bot?its really hard to understand ur config mann :(

  • I've been using MOAR for a LONG time in my SPT - but one odd thing happening in 3.11~ is a HEAP of bots in Factory!! - it gets crazy insane - with a final body count once they've killed each other off and I mop up survivors of like, 40 corpses... When I try running Raidoverhaul mod it does it's cascade dll thing and i get a heap of server messages about 59940 something too high and reset down to 499 or similar (this is series of messages for each bot type or each map - sorry, cant remember). Raidoverhaul plus MOAR doesn't work well for me - fps is pancaked - so i do go back to just MOAR.

    • Yeah don't play with raid overhaul.

      :)

    • Yep - stepped away from Overhaul - and installed the latest version of MOAR + BAGELS and my overabundance of bots spawning issue is gone - all working wonderfully again :) I Love love LOVE the game with this mod running the spawns!!

  • Mod is super weird and does not do what it says. Played factory with the like-live settings and it spawned over 15 PMCs in the like 15 minutes I was in the raid. Threw on the more scavs preset to try and get some scav kills on interchange and after 3 raids in a row only saw a grand total of 2 scavs, but probably around 20 PMCs.

  • im on the quest for 10- scav kills at old and new gas on customs and there are just nvr any scavs there with moar stock settings, not even on more scavs preset.

    • Yeah, I've noticed this too. I've played probably 20 raids trying to finish this task and there's never any scavs in these areas.

    • Just delete the scav spawnpoints for customs if you want default spawns.

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    • so i go to the spawns folder and just delete the scavSpawns JSON?

    • No that will cause errors.

      Remove all the spawnpoints for bigmap and set bigmap to [ ],

    • Or co go the map config for bigmap and set the scav cull spawnpoint value to 0

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  • After I used this and the Algorithmic Level Progression mod, some other bosses like Shturman and Killa would spawn in the Tarkov street. I want to know which mod is causing this issue and, if possible, how to configure it to avoid this situation.

    • Set the boss invasion preset to 0 on the server config

  • Hello.

    I have a problem that when I use this mod to defeat the Lighthouse Bots, the FPS suddenly drops.

    When a Bots is defeated, the FPS drops below 10 at that moment.

    • Likely nothing to do with this. No idea.

    • You could also try turning down the scav cull spawnpoint value for customs to 0, in the mapConfig.

    • Thanks for the reply.

      Changing the mapConfig setting had no effect.

    • Came here to report the same thing. Every other map is fine. Lighthouse runs normally for a bit then at a certain point fps drops to 20 and is capped at 20. Doesn't go higher, doesn't go lower. Very odd. Only happens with this mod enabled.

    • i had the same problem, my fix was, i deleted my waypoints mod, and download new one and installed it, and i delete the ram cleaner mod. now it works fine for me

  • How can I modify raiders on labs? Map config shows scav wave count 0, but the boss config doesn't show raiders either.

  • PMC's spawn right on top of me often.

  • Hey, question that wasn't answered yet, does this affect event spawns? Like khorovod or halloween, potentionally breaking them or it works fine?

  • Hello I love this mod but I've been having a problem using it with SAIN. Scavs don't shoot when vanilla scavs is enabled. spt 3.10. Uninstalling MOAR and scavs shoot again. Would love advice on how to fix :)

    • I don't support 3.10 anymore.

      Likely there is a mod conflict or something.

  • Even with the values cranked up to impossible the bots seemed to just stand around. I think something got borked with the latest update.

  • I ask the mod creator in bossConfig, I see neither Reshala, nor Shturman, nor the Sectants likely to appear, nor do I see the spawn of the “bloodhounds” group. Is this so, I understand it wrong, or are they missing in the mod, thanks.

    • Reshala = bossBully
      Shturman = bossKojaniy

      Bloodhounds = arenaFighterEvent

      Sectant = sectantPriest

    • ok thanks for the clarification, sectant and Bloodhounds do not appear in bossConfig in the author's mod unmodified?

  • is it compatible with this mod: ABPS - Acid's Bot Placement System by acidphantasm, thank you

  • Was playing labs with Starting PMCs, and boosted values of pretty much everything except the distribution slider.

    I ran around the entire map 5 times before 1 pmc spawned and then ran another 3 before a second did.

  • If I only want to spawn zombies and no other bots, how can I do that? Thanks

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    • The only solution i found is to edit mapConfig.json.

      I've changed pmcWaveCount and scavWaveCount to 0 for every map and it did the trick

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    • Thank you, I will try it!

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  • Is it possible to only spawn zombies using this mod? I mean no scavs and pmc, just zombies🤔

  • hey is there a way to increase raid time? this mod overrides raid overhauls changes to the raid timing.

    • Use the mod SVM - Server Value Modifier. With this tool you can change nearly every aspect of your game. :)

  • thanks for the fast fix! i was going crazy trying to figure out why my labs raid turned into a battlefield

  • Does this override event ai spawns or works together with them?

  • Have a problem - PMCs from the same faction with me attacking me. I have SVM, where I toggle, that this impossible, yet it`s happening. I tried to switch load order, toggle on/off that parameter in SVM, but still I got killed by allies. I used custom preset, set AI and quantity of bot as online, toggle teamfight off in BepInEx.

    Mods, that I use, that tweak AI:

    SVM

    NoBossPMC

    LockableDoors

    FairFight

    Waypoints

    BigBrain

    NoGrenadeESP

    NoBush (Reupload)

    • I overwrite this.
      If you want friendly pmcs use another mod for bot spawning.
      APBS or whatever it's called is an excellent alternative.

    • Oh, okay. That`s a shame, because mod is good. Thank you for answer.

  • Hello!
    i am using Server Value Modifier [SVM] and and MOAR
    but MOAR boss spawn preset always overwrite SVM boss spawn preset
    can i turn off MOAR boss spawn setting?
    Thanks a lot

    • You can just delete the bosses you don't want altered in the boss config (the line for each map)


      Or you can use the boss config to make your alterations as intended.

    • I deleted some lines on bossConfig.json

      TYSM for the response btw

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  • I am running Version 3.0.1-Experimental on 3.10 and I'm having an issue with PMCs and Bots getting stuck behind the garage door. Usaually it's like 3+ of them.

    • On labs, this is a carry over bug I need to get rid of.

      It is known.

  • Without this mod, I had 3 Raiders spawn on top of me randomly (literally right in front of me as I was looting a body) down in the underground bunker area.
    Does this mod at all stop the game from just dropping enemies right on top of me, or is that not within the scope of this mod?

    • This doesn't change Raider behaviour.

      That is what happens when you pull the switch sometimes

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